{"id":167,"date":"2008-11-29T12:53:19","date_gmt":"2008-11-29T17:53:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/archiv\/167\/"},"modified":"2008-11-29T12:53:19","modified_gmt":"2008-11-29T17:53:19","slug":"az-ellenseg-krealasanak-fonnyadt-baja","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/az-ellenseg-krealasanak-fonnyadt-baja\/","title":{"rendered":"Az ellens\u00e9g kre\u00e1l\u00e1s\u00e1nak fonnyadt b\u00e1ja"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Nem akartam \u00e9n tov\u00e1bb ragozni az el\u0151z\u0151 bejegyz\u00e9sben taglalt &#8222;hazaszavaz\u00e1s&#8221; \u00fcgyet. Meg\u00edrtam r\u00f3la a v\u00e9lem\u00e9nyem, <em>soszt\u00e1n<\/em> annyi. Val\u00f3j\u00e1ban nem is azt akarom folytatni, de valahogy odakapcsol\u00f3dik. Neveztek engem m\u00e1r sok mindennek, \u00e9s t\u00e9teleztek fel r\u00f3lam mindenf\u00e9le baroms\u00e1got, \u00e1m most t\u00f6rt\u00e9nt els\u0151 \u00edzben, hogy valaki ezt \u00edrta vissza egy &#8222;t\u00e9nyfelt\u00e1r\u00f3&#8221; emilemre:<\/p>\n<p><em>Persze, ha \u00d6n egy <strong>rom\u00e1n nacionalista<\/strong> aki ki kiv\u00e1nja szoritani a magyar nemzetis\u00e9get a demokratikus int\u00e9zm\u00e9nyekb\u0151l, akkor meg\u00e9rtem a sz\u0151rsz\u00e1lhasohat\u00e1s\u00e1t.<\/em><\/p>\n<h3>Kit\u00e9r\u0151 \u00e9s el\u0151zm\u00e9ny.<\/h3>\n<p>Internetes korom hajnal\u00e1n el\u00e9g sok magyar (\u00e9s nem magyar) levelez\u0151list\u00e1ra feliratkoztam, v\u00e9lhet\u0151en k\u00edv\u00e1ncsis\u00e1gb\u00f3l, olykor val\u00f3di \u00e9rdekl\u0151d\u00e9sb\u0151l &#8211; vagy tudtomon k\u00edv\u00fcl felvettek a list\u00e1jukra. Akkoriban ez nagy divat volt: teljesen szab\u00e1lyozatlan volt ez a ter\u00fclet. K\u00e9s\u0151bb azt\u00e1n szorgalmasan leiratkoztam mindah\u00e1nyr\u00f3l, email c\u00edmeket sz\u00fcntettem meg, hogy el\u00e9rhetetlen legyek stb. A mi\u00e9rteket most ne bolygassuk.<\/p>\n<p>Egyetlen kiv\u00e9tel van, egyetlen olyan lista, amin megmaradtam: a <a href=\"http:\/\/hungaria.org\/hal\/hal.php?halid=6\">Hungarian Lobby<\/a> (HL) list\u00e1ja, amit az eg\u00e9sz \u00fcgy lelkes anim\u00e1tora, Dr. Lipt\u00e1k B\u00e9la nev\u00e9vel szoktak kik\u00fcld\u00f6zgetni. A mazochizmuson t\u00falmen\u0151en tal\u00e1n az a magyar\u00e1zat erre, hogy sok egy\u00e9b &#8222;magyarosch&#8221; list\u00e1hoz k\u00e9pest ez egy teljesen j\u00f3zan hangv\u00e9tel\u0171, igen gyakran j\u00f3 \u00fcgyek\u00e9rt mozgos\u00edt\u00f3 kezdem\u00e9nyez\u00e9s. Nem azt mondom, hogy mindig mindennel egyet\u00e9rtek, amit kik\u00fcld\u00f6zgetnek, \u00e9s az is igaz, hogy leggyakrabban az &#8222;amerik\u00e1s&#8221; magyaroknak sz\u00f3l az \u00fczenet, teh\u00e1t kanadaik\u00e9nt csak mint megfigyel\u0151 n\u00e9zegetem a t\u00e9nyked\u00e9st. A m\u00e1sik dolog, aminek ok\u00e1n tiszteletemet v\u00edvta ki ez a HL lista: \u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1suk szerint a m\u00e1sodik-harmadik gener\u00e1ci\u00f3s, magyarul m\u00e1r nem is tud\u00f3 magyarokat is siker\u00fcl mozg\u00f3s\u00edtani egy-egy nagyobb lev\u00e9lk\u00fcld\u0151- vagy tiltakoz\u00f3 akci\u00f3ra. Lehet, hogy ez az eg\u00e9sz \u00fcgy virtu\u00e1lis jelleg\u00e9nek k\u00f6sz\u00f6nhet\u0151, mivel tapasztalatom szerint a val\u00f3s vil\u00e1g emigr\u00e1ns magyar int\u00e9zm\u00e9nyeit\u0151l a m\u00e1sodik-harmadik gener\u00e1ci\u00f3s &#8222;magyarok&#8221; \u00fagy menek\u00fclnek, mint \u00f6rd\u00f6g a t\u00f6mj\u00e9nf\u00fcstt\u0151l. Sz\u00f3val, e list\u00e1t h\u0151m\u00e9r\u0151k\u00e9nt haszn\u00e1lom, lem\u00e9rend\u0151, mivel is foglalkoztatja az agy\u00e1t az amerikai magyars\u00e1g elitje&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\u00c9s j\u00f6tt err\u0151l a HL list\u00e1r\u00f3l is a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hungaria.org\/hir.php?topicid=1571&#038;messageid=1690\">felh\u00edv\u00e1s<\/a>, hogy szavazzak K\u00e1rolyi B\u00e9l\u00e1ra (szen\u00e1tornak) \u00e9s Dancs Annamarira (k\u00e9pvisel\u0151nek). A lev\u00e9lben van egy ilyen passzus:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>A nyugati demokr\u00e1ci\u00e1k minden k\u00fclf\u00f6ld\u00f6n \u00e9l\u0151 polg\u00e1r\u00e1nak joga van haz\u00e1la v\u00e1laszt\u00e1saiban r\u00e9sztvenni.<\/strong> DE most itt m\u00e9g enn\u00e9l is t\u00f6bbr\u0151l van sz\u00f3!! A m\u00f3dos\u00edtott v\u00e1laszt\u00e1si t\u00f6rv\u00e9ny \u00e9rtelm\u00e9ben az orsz\u00e1g ter\u00fclet\u00e9n k\u00edv\u00fcl \u00e9l\u0151 rom\u00e1n \u00e1llampolg\u00e1rok is saj\u00e1t k\u00e9pvisel\u0151ket, szen\u00e1torokat k\u00fcldhetnek a bukaresti parlamentbe. Rajtunk m\u00falik, hogy EZEK MAGYAROK LEGYENEK! \u00c9szakamerikai jel\u00f6lt\u00fcnk Dancs Annam\u00e1ria \u00e9nekesn\u0151, mig szen\u00e1tor jel\u00f6lt\u00fcnk, kire Amerika, Afrika, Ausztr\u00e1lia \u00e9s \u00daj-Z\u00e9land lakosai szavazhatnak, a Texasban \u00e9l\u0151 torn\u00e1sz edz\u0151, K\u00e1rolyi B\u00e9la.<br \/>\n<em>(kiemel\u00e9s t\u0151lem &#8211; M.)<\/em>\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Mivel \u00e9pp k\u00e9t nappal ezel\u0151tt bogar\u00e1sztam a netet ez\u00fcgyben, pontosan tudtam, hogy a kiemelt r\u00e9sz nem igaz. A kanadai V\u00e1laszt\u00e1si Iroda (Elections Canada) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.elections.ca\/content.asp?section=ins&#038;dir=svr&#038;document=int_step2_q4&#038;lang=e&#038;textonly=false\">weboldala<\/a> \u00e9s a v\u00e1laszt\u00e1sok el\u0151tt kik\u00fcld\u00f6tt, szem\u00e9lyesen nekem c\u00edmzett bros\u00fara is vil\u00e1gosan kimondja:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If your date of departure from Canada was five or more years ago, you are not eligible to vote unless you meet one of the following criteria.<\/p>\n<p>You are exempt from the five-year limit if you are posted outside Canada as:<\/p>\n<p>   1. an employee of a federal or provincial public administration; or<br \/>\n   2. an employee of an international organization of which Canada is a member and to which Canada contributes; or<br \/>\n   3. a person who lives with an elector described in a. or b. above, or with a member of the Canadian Forces, or with a civilian employed as a teacher or as administrative support staff in a Canadian Forces school\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ak\u00e1rhogy pr\u00f3b\u00e1lod cs\u0171rni-csavarni, ennek a l\u00e9nyege az, hogy <strong>ha t\u00f6bb mint \u00f6t \u00e9ve t\u00e1vozt\u00e1l Kanad\u00e1b\u00f3l<\/strong> (el\u0151z\u0151 oldalakon azt felelted, hogy nem Kanad\u00e1ban \u00e9lsz\/laksz) &#8211; <strong>akkor nincs jogod szavazni<\/strong>. Persze, vannak kiv\u00e9telek: diplomat\u00e1k, nemzetk\u00f6zi szervezetekben alkalmazottak, k\u00fclf\u00f6ld\u00f6n \u00e1llom\u00e1soz\u00f3 katon\u00e1k, mindezek hozz\u00e1tartoz\u00f3i, \u00e9s a hader\u0151 iskol\u00e1inak alkalmazottai. Ezek, term\u00e9szetesen, logikus kiv\u00e9telek.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c9s ekkor el\u0151j\u00f6tt a preciz\u00edt\u00e1sra m\u00e1ni\u00e1kusan figyel\u0151 \u00e9nem, \u00e9s r\u00f6gvest megnyomtam a V\u00e1lasz gombot:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<em> > A nyugati demokr\u00e1ci\u00e1k minden k\u00fclf\u00f6ld\u00f6n \u00e9l\u0151 polg\u00e1r\u00e1nak joga<br \/>\n> van haz\u00e1la v\u00e1laszt\u00e1saiban r\u00e9sztvenni.<\/p>\n<p>EZ NEM IGAZ! Ne terjesszunk hamis informaciot:<\/p>\n<p>Elections Canada  website:<br \/>\n&#8222;If your date of departure from Canada was five or more years ago, you are not eligible to vote &#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>source: http:\/\/www.elections.ca\/content.asp?section=ins&#038;dir=svr&#038;document=int_step2_q4&#038;lang=e&#038;textonly=false<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h3>Az ellens\u00e9g<\/h3>\n<p>Nos, erre \u00e9rkezett az inkrimin\u00e1lt v\u00e1lasz, mely szerint vagyok \u00e9n egy (aljas gazember) rom\u00e1n nacionalista, aki hasogatja a sz\u0151rsz\u00e1lt. Tov\u00e1bbi intelmek a lev\u00e9lb\u0151l:<br \/>\n<em>Ez igy m\u00e9g Kanad\u00e1ban sem igaz (egy halom kiv\u00e9tel van) \u00e9s k\u00fcl\u00f6nben se az \u00f6n t\u00e9tlens\u00e9gre buzdit\u00f3 kifog\u00e1saira van sz\u00fcks\u00e9g\u00fcnk, hanem \u00f6sszefog\u00e1sra \u00e9s tettekre.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Azt, hogy ki vagyok, mi vagyok &#8211; nem fogom <em>ezeknek<\/em> bizonygatni! (N.B. Nem Lipt\u00e1k B\u00e9la, hanem v\u00e9lhet\u0151en a lista adminisztr\u00e1tor <em>Sz. Gotth\u00e1rd<\/em> szign\u00e1lta a v\u00e1laszt.) \u00c9n m\u00e9g a HL list\u00e1n sem szorulok arra, hogy magyar\u00e1zzam a bizony\u00edtv\u00e1nyom. \u00c9s itt sem. Nem is ez a l\u00e9nyeg.<\/p>\n<p>Hanem az, ahogyan kibontakozik <strong>az ellens\u00e9g-kre\u00e1l\u00e1s mechanizmusa<\/strong><sup><a href=\"#fn-1227980346117\" class=\"footnote\" id=\"a1227980346117\" title=\"l\u00e1bjegyzet #1\">1<\/a><\/sup>. Ha nem fogadod el ex-cathedra t\u00e9vedhetetlen kijelent\u00e9seinket, akkor rom\u00e1n nacionalista vagy. Az se sz\u00e1m\u00edt, hogy nem az &#8222;\u00fcgyr\u0151l&#8221; nyilv\u00e1n\u00edtasz v\u00e9lem\u00e9nyt, hanem csup\u00e1n t\u00e9nybeli kiigaz\u00edt\u00e1st pr\u00f3b\u00e1ln\u00e1l eszk\u00f6z\u00f6lni&#8230; mert ha visszabesz\u00e9lsz, akkor &#8658; kifog\u00e1solsz &#8658; nem \u00e9rtesz egyet  &#8658; qrva vagy. Az ellens\u00e9g b\u00e9rence vagy, rosszember vagy \u00e9s a te any\u00e1d&#8230;<br \/>\nA gondolatmenet ismer\u0151s: az a rom\u00e1n nacionalista, akir\u0151l mi aszongyuk, hogy rom\u00e1n nacionalista. R\u00e1d ragasztottuk a c\u00edmk\u00e9t, innen kezdve tudjuk, ki vagy.<\/p>\n<p>Na, ez\u00e9rt nem fogok vitatkozni arr\u00f3l, hogy ki is vagyok, mi is vagyok. Mert a fenti gondolatmenetbe \u00e9sz\u00e9rvek nem f\u00e9rnek bele.<br \/>\nAzt az\u00e9rt t\u00f6redelmesen bevallom, hogy a h\u00fclyes\u00e9gnek \u00f6r\u00f6k ellens\u00e9ge voltam, vagyok \u00e9s leszek.<\/p>\n<ol class=\"footnotes\">\n<li id=\"fn-1227980346117\">Tess\u00e9k ut\u00e1nan\u00e9zni: van erre igen der\u00e9k tanulm\u00e1ny P\u00f3k Attila toll\u00e1b\u00f3l &#8212; ide most az angol v\u00e1ltozatot linkelem: <a href=\"http:\/\/findarticles.com\/p\/articles\/mi_7063\/is_\/ai_n28724179\">Atonement And Sacrifice: Scapegoats In Modern Eastern And Central Europe<\/a> <a href=\"#a1227980346117\" title=\"return\">&#8657;<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nem akartam \u00e9n tov\u00e1bb ragozni az el\u0151z\u0151 bejegyz\u00e9sben taglalt &#8222;hazaszavaz\u00e1s&#8221; \u00fcgyet. Meg\u00edrtam r\u00f3la a v\u00e9lem\u00e9nyem, soszt\u00e1n annyi. Val\u00f3j\u00e1ban nem is azt akarom folytatni, de valahogy odakapcsol\u00f3dik. 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