{"id":723,"date":"2025-12-04T15:48:48","date_gmt":"2025-12-04T20:48:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/?p=723"},"modified":"2025-12-04T15:48:48","modified_gmt":"2025-12-04T20:48:48","slug":"legyen-ukran-trianon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/legyen-ukran-trianon\/","title":{"rendered":"Legyen ukr\u00e1n Trianon?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Furcsa \u00e9rvet hozott fel egy rokonom a f\u00e9szbukon<\/a>: mivel az akkori nagyhatalmak a magyarok feje f\u00f6l\u00f6tt d\u00f6nt\u00f6ttek Trianonban az orsz\u00e1g feldarabol\u00e1s\u00e1r\u00f3l, aminek k\u00f6vetkezt\u00e9ben \u00e9n is, meg a rokon is \u201ehat\u00e1ron t\u00falra\u201d ker\u00fclt\u00fcnk, most nek\u00fcnk nem kell(ene) tiltakozni az ellen, ha az ukr\u00e1nok feje f\u00f6l\u00f6tt akarnak \u201eb\u00e9k\u00e9t\u201d rendezni a mostani er\u0151sebbik kuty\u00e1k. Mert ha vel\u00fcnk megt\u00f6rt\u00e9nhetett \u00e9s megt\u00f6rt\u00e9nt, akkor hadd t\u00f6rt\u00e9njen vel\u00fck is, igaz? (S\u0103 moar\u0103 capra vecinului?<\/em> Mint az elbalk\u00e1nosod\u00e1s gy\u00f6nyer\u0171sz\u00e9p bizony\u00edt\u00e9ka\u2026)<\/p>\n

Hogy a fiatal ukr\u00e1n \u00e1llam gyakorta hib\u00e1t hib\u00e1ra halmozott, \u00e9s nyelvi identit\u00e1s\u00e1nak meg\u0151rz\u00e9se v\u00e9gett olykor a csecsem\u0151t is ki\u00f6nt\u00f6tte a f\u00fcrd\u0151v\u00edzzel? \u00c9rtsd: az orosz befoly\u00e1s t\u00e1voltart\u00e1s\u00e1ra hozott int\u00e9zked\u00e9sek, sajnos a t\u00f6bbi kisebbs\u00e9g h\u00e1t\u00e1n is csattantak, s joggal \u00e9rezhett\u00e9k mind a magyar, mind a rom\u00e1n nemzetis\u00e9g\u0171 ukr\u00e1n \u00e1llampolg\u00e1rok, hogy az \u0151 nyelvi jogaikat is nyirb\u00e1lja a rendszer. Igaz, \u00e9s ezt az\u00e9rt \u00e9rdemes megeml\u00edteni, mert mind a rom\u00e1niai, mind a magyarorsz\u00e1gi \u201enemzetv\u00e9d\u0151\u201d hangoskod\u00f3k evvel szokt\u00e1k magyar\u00e1zni (indokolni?) ukr\u00e1n-ellenes kirohan\u00e1saikat. Minden, amit ezen t\u00falmen\u0151en \u00e9rvk\u00e9nt pr\u00f3b\u00e1lnak felhozni, az nem egy\u00e9b, mint az orosz nagybirodalmi propagand\u00e1nak a hazai bunk\u00f3s\u00e1gra \u00e1tszabott v\u00e1ltozata. <\/p>\n

Sokszor elgondolkoztam azon, vajon a m\u00e1sk\u00fcl\u00f6nben norm\u00e1lis emberek, mint p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul az eml\u00edtett igen okos \u00e9s nagyvil\u00e1gban j\u00e1ratos rokonom, v\u00e9gig gondolt\u00e1k-e saj\u00e1t gondolatmenet\u00fck k\u00f6vetkezm\u00e9nyeit? Vagy meg\u00e1lltak, meg\u00e1llnak f\u00e9l\u00faton?<\/p>\n

Hiszen, amennyiben k\u00f6vetkezetesen v\u00e9gigvissz\u00fck azt a gondolatmenetet, hogy a megt\u00e1madott ukr\u00e1nok a \u201ehib\u00e1sak\u201d a h\u00e1bor\u00fa\u00e9rt, akkor ebb\u0151l az k\u00f6vetkezik, hogy az agressz\u00edv nagybirodalmi \u00e1lmokat ny\u00edltan sz\u00f6v\u00f6get\u0151 Kreml a k\u00f6zmond\u00e1sos j\u00f3fi\u00fa. Az a nagyorosz birodalmi eszme, amely a t\u00f6bb \u00e9vsz\u00e1zados mongol uralom kegyetlens\u00e9g\u00e9nek (s\u0151t, bizonyos \u00e1llami \u00e9s nyelvi strukt\u00far\u00e1inak) \u00e1tv\u00e9tel\u00e9vel alapozta meg l\u00e9t\u00e9t, \u00e9s mai napig \u00fagy gondolkozik, hogy az egy\u00e9n, az egy\u00e9ni jogok \u2013 amikre mellesleg mi erd\u00e9lyi kisebbs\u00e9giek is oly gyakorta hivatkozunk, joggal, ha a t\u00f6bbs\u00e9g a nyakunkra h\u00e1g! \u2013 hogy azok a jogok nem sz\u00e1m\u00edtanak, mindenki fel\u00e1ldozhat\u00f3 a v\u00e9gs\u0151 (birodalmi) gy\u0151zelem\u00e9rt. Az alattval\u00f3k \u00e9lete nem t\u00e9nyez\u0151, ha kell milli\u00f3kat k\u00fcld ez a birodalom a hal\u00e1lba kv\u00e1zi-messianisztikus elhivatotts\u00e1g\u00e1nak g\u0151gj\u00e9ben. Ez az orosz birodalom verte le 1848-at, 1956-ot, 1968-at, hogy csak a magunk kis kelet-eur\u00f3pai vid\u00e9k\u00e9n n\u00e9zz\u00fcnk k\u00f6r\u00fcl. Ez az eszme osztotta fel Lengyelorsz\u00e1got is t\u00f6bb \u00edzben, \u00fagy, hogy a lengyel \u00e1llamis\u00e1g megsz\u0171nt, de n\u00e1luk legal\u00e1bb megmaradt az eml\u00e9ke, s nem d\u0151lnek be a putyini propagand\u00e1nak.<\/p>\n

Minden ukr\u00e1n-ellenes sz\u00f3lam, minden olyan megnyilv\u00e1nul\u00e1s, ami az \u00e1ldozatot hib\u00e1ztatja, elvileg az orosz agresszi\u00f3t t\u00e1mogatja. Ezen nincs mit, ezt nem lehet, sz\u00e9p\u00edtgetni! Ezt tudj\u00e1k a finnek, a balti \u00e1llamok, a lengyelek, s minden norm\u00e1lis eur\u00f3pai politikus. Lehet, s\u0151t kell is h\u00e1borogni a br\u00fcsszeli b\u00fcrokrat\u00e1k ban\u00e1nhajlatot szab\u00e1lyozni akar\u00f3 t\u00falkap\u00e1sain, s eff\u00e9le h\u00fclyes\u00e9gein, de ma nincs alternat\u00edva, val\u00f3s alternat\u00edva az Eur\u00f3pai Uni\u00f3n \u00e9s a NATO-n k\u00edv\u00fcl. Putyin nem ad agr\u00e1rt\u00e1mogat\u00e1st fiatal gazd\u00e1lkod\u00f3knak, mint az EU, ezt m\u00e9g a rokonom is tudja…<\/p>\n

\"Paris,

Paris 1919. Margaret MacMillen k\u00f6nyve<\/p><\/div>\n

\u00c9s egy pillanatra vissza a trianoni hivatkoz\u00e1sra. Hogy vajon eml\u00e9kszem-e arra, mi t\u00f6rt\u00e9nt ott, ahol, rokonom szerint elfogadt\u00e1k \u201eaz \u00e9letunt angol uriember l\u00e1z\u00e1lmait\u201d. Nem tudom, kire gondol, de nem is ez a l\u00e9nyeg. A t\u00e9nyek kedv\u00e9\u00e9rt el kell mondanom, hogy el\u00e9g sok kordokumentumot, elemz\u00e9st, visszaeml\u00e9kez\u00e9st stb. olvastam el az elm\u00falt \u00e9vtizedekben, most is gyorsan odany\u00faltam, \u00e9s leemeltem a polcr\u00f3l Margaret MacMillan k\u00f6nyv\u00e9t (Paris 1919. Six months that changed the wold<\/em>. 2003), \u00e9s belelapoztam az Erd\u00e9lyr\u0151l sz\u00f3l\u00f3 oldalakba, eml\u00e9kezetemet felfriss\u00edtend\u0151. \u00c9s bizony ott van minden, nagyon t\u00e1rgyilagosan elemezve mindaz, amit t\u00f6bb mint sz\u00e1z \u00e9ve nem vagyunk k\u00e9pesek feldolgozni, \u00edgy egy s\u00e9r\u00fclt nemzeti pszich\u00e9t d\u00e9delget\u00fcnk rem\u00e9nytelen\u00fcl. \u00c9s ott vannak a v\u00e9rl\u00e1z\u00edt\u00f3 \u201eapr\u00f3s\u00e1gok\u201d meg a kis-Antant gyal\u00e1zatos h\u00faz\u00e1sai, amiknek k\u00f6sz\u00f6nhet\u0151en azt\u00e1n a \u201eN\u00e9gyek Tan\u00e1csa\u201d \u2013 Woodrow Wilson (USA), David Lloyd George (Nagy-Britannia), Georges Clemenceau (Franciaorsz\u00e1g) \u00e9s Vittorio Orlando (Olaszorsz\u00e1g) \u2013 belef\u00e1radt az eg\u00e9szbe, \u00e9s mivel nem ismert\u00e9k, nem is \u00e9rdekelte \u0151ket a f\u0151ellens\u00e9g, N\u00e9metorsz\u00e1gon t\u00fali ter\u00fcletek n\u00e9peinek sir\u00e1mai. Az amerikaiak \u00e9s az angolok hazamentek, az olaszokat csak az \u00e9rdekelte, nem legyen ism\u00e9t monarchia vagy valami ahhoz hasonl\u00f3, Clemenceau meg nyomta a rom\u00e1nokat s a csehszlov\u00e1kokat meg a jug\u00f3kat, egyr\u00e9szt mert irt\u00f3ztak a keletr\u0151l fenyeget\u0151 bolsevik vesz\u00e9lyt\u0151l, m\u00e1sr\u00e9szt meg nyilv\u00e1n er\u0151s francia befoly\u00e1st akart a k\u00f6z\u00e9p-jelet-eur\u00f3pai ut\u00f3d\u00e1llamokban. <\/p>\n

\u00c9s m\u00e9g tudn\u00e9k egy\u00e9b bibliogr\u00e1fi\u00e1t is aj\u00e1nlani, magyarul p\u00e9ld\u00e1ul Romsics Ign\u00e1c: A trianoni b\u00e9keszerz\u0151d\u00e9s<\/em> c. nagyon j\u00f3l dokument\u00e1lt k\u00f6tet\u00e9t, tov\u00e1bb\u00e1 angolul Robert Gerwarth: The Vanquished. Why the First World War Failed to End, 1917\u20131923<\/em> c. k\u00f6nyv\u00e9t… Bevallom, rossz n\u00e9ven veszem, ha odadobott social media<\/em> hozz\u00e1sz\u00f3l\u00e1sokban azzal gyan\u00fas\u00edtanak, hogy nem tudom, mir\u0151l besz\u00e9lek. Vagy, hogy net\u00e1n elfelejtettem Trianont, vagy mintha nem tudn\u00e1m, hogy ama inkrimin\u00e1lt b\u00e9keszerz\u0151d\u00e9sek semmit nem oldottak meg. Nem is oldhattak meg semmit, mert nem a gy\u0151ztesek \u00e9s a legy\u0151z\u00f6ttek k\u00f6z\u00f6tti kompromisszumra, valamif\u00e9le kiegyez\u00e9sre t\u00f6rekedtek, hanem a h\u00e1rom f\u0151 gy\u0151ztes nagyhatalom (Anglia, Amerika, Franciaorsz\u00e1g) k\u00f6z\u00f6tti kompromisszumokra \u00e9p\u00fclt. Magyar\u00e1n, h\u00e1rm\u00f3juk hatalmi szf\u00e9r\u00e1inak a feloszt\u00e1sa, kiegyez\u00e9se volt a d\u00f6nt\u0151, a legy\u0151z\u00f6ttek csup\u00e1n statiszt\u00e1ltak ehhez. <\/p>\n

De ism\u00e9tlem, amivel kezdtem: ha volt egy ilyen rettenetes \u201eb\u00e9kekonferencia\u201d sz\u00e1z \u00e9vvel ezel\u0151tt, mi\u00e9rt nem okulunk bel\u0151le, \u00e9s mi\u00e9rt akarn\u00e1nk most m\u00e1s nemzeteket l\u00e1tni hasonl\u00f3 megal\u00e1z\u00f3 helyzetben? Jobban \u00e9rezn\u00e9nk magunkat ett\u0151l? Elm\u00falna a trianoni trauma?<\/p>\n

\u00c9s ha m\u00e9g valaki od\u00e1ig s\u00fcllyed is, hogy az orosz agresszort kedveli vagy szurkol neki, beleillik-e az erk\u00f6lcsi vil\u00e1gk\u00e9p\u00e9be, hogy \u00e1rtatlan gyermekeket \u00f6lnek gyilkos bomb\u00e1k, amelyek civil \u201ec\u00e9lpontokra\u201d hullanak?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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