{"id":726,"date":"2026-01-20T15:53:42","date_gmt":"2026-01-20T20:53:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/?p=726"},"modified":"2026-01-20T15:53:42","modified_gmt":"2026-01-20T20:53:42","slug":"mit-ert-a-neved-romaniaban","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/mit-ert-a-neved-romaniaban\/","title":{"rendered":"Mit \u00e9rt a neved – Rom\u00e1ni\u00e1ban?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Eredetileg csak egy hozz\u00e1sz\u00f3l\u00e1st akartam \u00edrni Par\u00e1szka Bor\u00f3ka<\/strong> Facebook bejegyz\u00e9s\u00e9hez<\/a> a rom\u00e1niai magyar nevek anyak\u00f6nyvez\u00e9si gyakorlat\u00e1r\u00f3l. De azt\u00e1n a sz\u00f6veg elkezdett n\u00f6vekedni, \u00f6nmaga \u00e9let\u00e9re kelt. \u00cdgy h\u00e1t ide teszem, s a fenti linkn\u00e9l megtal\u00e1lod az eredeti gondolat\u00e9breszt\u0151 \u00edr\u00e1st.<\/p>\n

Nem ma kezd\u0151d\u00f6tt, de m\u00e9g a tegnap se.<\/p>\n

1899-ben Magyarfodorh\u00e1z\u00e1n sz\u00fcletett nagyap\u00e1m becs\u00fcletes neve Horv\u00e1th S\u00e1ndor<\/em> volt, az \u00e1rva mell\u00e9kn\u00e9vvel. \u00c1m itt vannak n\u00e1lam, igen Kanad\u00e1ig hurcoltam \u0151ket, a k\u00e9t vil\u00e1gh\u00e1bor\u00fa k\u00f6z\u00f6tti dokumentumai, mindenf\u00e9le ipar-igazolv\u00e1nyok meg eff\u00e9l\u00e9k, s azokban bizony Horv\u00e1th (n\u00e9ha Horvath) Alexandru<\/em>-k\u00e9nt szerepel. Mert m\u00e1r akkor mindenkit \u00e1t\u00edrt az \u00faj rezsim. Feles\u00e9ge, nagyany\u00e1m, Zsuzsann\u00e1b\u00f3l Susana<\/em> lett, s \u00fagy is halt meg 1988-ban. Az csak \u201eterm\u00e9szetes\u201d hogy a h\u00faszas-harmincas \u00e9vekben sz\u00fcletett sz\u00fcletett fiak Istv\u00e1n<\/em> \u00e9s S\u00e1ndor<\/em> helyett \u0218tefan<\/em> \u00e9s Alexandru<\/em> lettek az anyak\u00f6nyvi kivonatokban. Ez a \u0218tefan lett azt\u00e1n az ap\u00e1m 1951-ben, \u00e9s amikor elment bejelenteni engem az anyak\u00f6nyvi hivatalba, vagy \u0151 mondott m\u00e1r eleve \u0218tefan-t vagy t\u00e1n m\u00e1r az volt a sz\u00fcl\u00e9szetr\u0151l hozott pap\u00edron, ha l\u00e9tezett olyasmi (mikor az \u00e9n fiam sz\u00fcletett 1975-ben, akkor azt is kellett vinni \u00e9s bemutatni, \u00edgy valamik\u00e9ppen a rom\u00e1nos\u00edt\u00e1s egy kis l\u00e9p\u00e9s\u00e9t a hat\u00f3s\u00e1g n\u00e9mileg odal\u00f6kte a k\u00f3rh\u00e1zi szem\u00e9lyzetnek, ti. amikor meglett a gyerek, akkor mondt\u00e1k, na, fi\u00fa\/le\u00e1ny, s akkor mi legyen a neve \u2013 \u0151k meg r\u00e1 kellett \u00edrj\u00e1k azt egy nyomtatv\u00e1nyra. A szf\u00e1tn\u00e1l, azaz a n\u00e9ptan\u00e1cs anyak\u00f6nyvi hivatal\u00e1ban \u0151k azt\u00e1n mondhatt\u00e1k, de h\u00e1t ez van \u00edrva a pap\u00edrra, ti mondt\u00e1tok \u00edgy a k\u00f3rh\u00e1zban!) Na, de legal\u00e1bb mindenki Horv\u00e1th maradt (t\u00f6bbnyire Horvath, de sajnos az \u00e9n \u0151seim ilyen apr\u00f3s\u00e1gokkal nem sokat t\u00f6r\u0151dtek), nem \u00fagy mint az anyai \u00e1g.
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\"Nagyap\u00e1im,
Nagyap\u00e1im, jobbra az apai… <\/div> <\/div>
\"M\u00e1mi
Kb. 1961 t\u00e1j\u00e1n ny\u00e1ron, nagyap\u00e1m\u00e9k udvar\u00e1n M\u00e1mi n\u00e9h\u00e1ny d\u00e9dunok\u00e1val. A v\u00e1lla m\u00f6g\u00f6tti fi\u00facska \u00e9n vagyok, legel\u00f6l Cristina. <\/div> <\/div> <\/div>
\"\u00c1rva
\u00c1rva Horv\u00e1th S\u00e1ndor a nagy h\u00e1bor\u00faban <\/div> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div>
\"G\u00f6r\u00f6g
G\u00f6r\u00f6g Zsuzsanna – az \u00f6rm\u00e9ny nagyany\u00e1m \u00f6l\u00e9ben egy r\u00e9gi kar\u00e1csonykor <\/div> <\/div> <\/div>
\"M\u00e1mi
Mindenki s\u00edrk\u00f6ve… <\/div> <\/div>
\"A
A kisikl\u00f3di reform\u00e1tus templom <\/div> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div> <\/div>\nMert van itt m\u00e9g bonyolultabb t\u00f6rt\u00e9net is az anyai \u00e1gon. Any\u00e1m apai nagyapja, ergo az \u00e9n d\u00e9dap\u00e1m egy magyar<\/em>szarvaskendi \u00e1rva rom\u00e1n<\/em> gyerek volt, v\u00e9lhet\u0151en S\u0103l\u0103jan Todor<\/em> n\u00e9vvel \u2013 semmif\u00e9le eredeti dokumentum nem maradt fenn r\u00f3la onnan. Ez az \u00e1rva fi\u00fa elker\u00fclt Kisikl\u00f3dra, ahol egy magyar csal\u00e1d vette mag\u00e1hoz, s aff\u00e9le b\u00e9resfi\u00fak\u00e9nt felnevelt\u00e9k. S\u0151t, rendesen konfirm\u00e1lt is (a magyarok t\u00f6bbnyire k\u00e1lvinista reform\u00e1tusok a faluban, kiv\u00e9ve a Zsuzsanna nagyany\u00e1m \u00f6rm\u00e9nykatolikus csal\u00e1dj\u00e1t), \u00e9s k\u00e9s\u0151bb megn\u0151s\u00fclt, 1902-ben elvette d\u00e9dnagyany\u00e1mat. Nemzettek vagy \u00f6t gyermeket, s m\u00e1r meg is j\u00f6tt a nagy h\u00e1bor\u00fa. El is vitt\u00e9k, \u00e9s a cs. \u00e9s kir. 63.gyalogezred 1. sz\u00e1zad\u00e1ban Szelezs\u00e1n T\u00f3dor<\/em> n\u00e9ven meg is halt. A csal\u00e1di legenda az volt, hogy elt\u0171nt valahol Oroszorsz\u00e1gban, M\u00e1mi, d\u00e9dnagyany\u00e1m, akit m\u00e9g \u00e9n is ismertem, mert olyan tizenegy-tizenk\u00e9t \u00e9ves voltam, amikor meghalt, sz\u00f3val r\u00f3la azt suttogt\u00e1k, hogy \u00f6r\u00f6kk\u00e9 visszav\u00e1rta, mint oly sokan az \u0151 kort\u00e1rsai k\u00f6z\u00fcl. A csal\u00e1di f\u00e1ma \u00fagy sz\u00f3lt, hogy az \u00edr\u00e1studatlan \u00f6zvegyet \u2013 Szelezs\u00e1n Roz\u00e1li\u00e1t \u2013 megk\u00f6rny\u00e9kezte a hatalom, mondv\u00e1n, hogy a gonosz Monarchia j\u00f3l elmagyaros\u00edtotta \u0151ket, de ha vissza\u00e1ll\u00edtj\u00e1k a j\u00f3 rom\u00e1n S\u0103l\u0103jan nevet, akkor lesz \u201eiovr\u201d (hadi\u00e1rva \u00e9s -\u00f6zvegy) nyugd\u00edj, j\u00e1rad\u00e9k, ak\u00e1rmi. Biny\u00e9, dr\u00e1g\u0103, b\u00f3logatott d\u00e9dnagyany\u00e1m, s lett ett\u0151l fogva mindenki S\u0103l\u0103jan. Azazhogy majdnem mindenki. Mert a nagyap\u00e1m \u00f6t l\u00e1nya k\u00f6z\u00fcl, a falusi jegyz\u0151 k\u00e9nyekedve szerint lett vagy h\u00e1rom S\u0103l\u0103jan \u00e9s k\u00e9t Szil\u00e1gyi. Ti. a faluban nagyap\u00e1mat mindenki Szil\u00e1gyi K\u00e1roly b\u00e1csik\u00e9nt emlegette, \u00e9n is sok\u00e1ig \u00edgy tudtam. Any\u00e1m persze, a S\u0103l\u0103jan-le\u00e1nyok k\u00f6z\u00e9 ker\u00fclt, \u00edgy azt\u00e1n m\u00e9g a magyarorsz\u00e1gi irataimban is, \u00e1ttelep\u00fcl\u00e9sem ut\u00e1n, az anyja neve rovatban az \u00e1ll(t): Salajan Ida. \u00cdgy is kellett kiejteni, j\u00f3 magyarosan, salajan, hogy le tudj\u00e1k \u00edrni.<\/p>\n

K\u00f6zben lett nekem egy fiam is, 1975-ben, addigra m\u00e1r tudtam, hogy \u00fcgyelni kell ezekkel a hat\u00f3s\u00e1gi emberekkel, figyeltem is minden bet\u0171t, s mondtam, hogy kellett \u00e9kezet \u2013 \u00e1kcs\u00e9nt \u2013 az A\/\u00c1-ra, be is \u00edrt\u00e1k rendesen, \u00e9kezettel Horv\u00e1th Andor Iv\u00e1n. Apja neve, mert Rom\u00e1ni\u00e1ban ilyen is volt: Horv\u00e1th \u0218tefan.
\nAm\u00fagy, a h\u00edrekkel ellent\u00e9tben, a Csau-rezsim nem hozott semmif\u00e9le \u201ek\u00f6nny\u00edt\u0151\u201d int\u00e9zked\u00e9st, hanem A H\u00e9t c. hetilap egyik \u00e9vk\u00f6nyv\u00e9ben volt dr. Mik\u00f3 Imr\u00e9nek egy \u00edr\u00e1sa, amely finoman le\u00edrta, id\u00e9zve a t\u00f6rv\u00e9ny, a cikkely, bekezd\u00e9s stb. pontos hely\u00e9t, hogy egy v\u00e9lhet\u0151en elfelejtett r\u00e9gi rendelkez\u00e9s azt mondta: az anyak\u00f6nyvbe csak rom\u00e1nul lehet be\u00edrni ak\u00e1rmit, KIV\u00c9VE az egy\u00fctt\u00e9l\u0151 nemzet\u00e9sigek szem\u00e9lyneveit, mert ezeket az \u0151 nyelv\u00fck\u00f6n kell be\u00edrni! Bing\u00f3… \u00cdr\u00f3g\u00e9p el\u0151, k\u00e9rv\u00e9nyt g\u00e9pel, timbru fiscal r\u00e1nyalva, s m\u00e1ris \u00e1llok az anyak\u00f6nyvi hivatal ablaka el\u0151tt a beadv\u00e1nyommal. <\/p>\n

Nem mozdultam, am\u00edg el nem olvasta, \u00e9s k\u00e9rtem, hogy adjon r\u00f3la pap\u00edrt, hogy iktatt\u00e1k! A nyolcvanas \u00e9vek vad nacion\u00e1lkommunista korszak\u00e1ban vagyunk, \u00fagy meg voltak lep\u0151dve, hogy m\u00e9g tiltakozni se tudtak, adt\u00e1k az igazol\u00e1st az iktat\u00e1sr\u00f3l: haminc nap alatt kell v\u00e1laszoljanak. J\u00f6tt is az \u00e9rtes\u00edt\u00e9s, menjek az \u00faj anyak\u00f6nyvi kivonat\u00e9rt (amit igen gyakorta csak keresztlev\u00e9l gyan\u00e1nt emlegett\u00fcnk, v\u00e9lhet\u0151en a polg\u00e1ri anyak\u00f6nyvezet\u00e9s el\u0151tti id\u0151k cs\u00f6kev\u00e9nyek\u00e9nt). Fel voltam k\u00e9sz\u00fclve, r\u00f6gvest k\u00e9rtem, hogy akkor m\u00e1r cser\u00e9lj\u00e9k ki a fiam\u00e9ban is az apjaneve rubrik\u00e1ban \u00e1ll\u00f3 \u0218tefant, mert m\u00e9giscsak… Hihetetlen, de sz\u00f3 n\u00e9lk\u00fcl megtett\u00e9k azt is!
\nK\u00e9s\u0151bb itt-ott gondos kezekkel \u00e9s tussal, tint\u00e1val hozz\u00e1adtam egy-egy hi\u00e1nyz\u00f3 \u00e9kezetet, ha kellett, de sajnos Kanad\u00e1ban ism\u00e9t elvesztettem \u0151ket. Pedig, mint k\u00e9s\u0151bb r\u00e1j\u00f6ttem, k\u00f6vetelhettem volna, b\u00e1r az igazat megvallva, a mindennapi gyakorlatben m\u00e9g francia nyelv\u0171 qu\u00e9beci honfit\u00e1rsaik nev\u00e9b\u0151l is gyakran veszni hagyj\u00e1k, m\u00e9gha ak\u00e1r miniszter is az illet\u0151. Na, de legal\u00e1bb nem lett bel\u0151lem Steven<\/em>… vagy szt\u00edviwander.<\/p>\n

U.I. R\u00e9g\u00f3ta k\u00e9sz\u00fcl\u00f6k azt is meg\u00edrni, tal\u00e1n „Szelezs\u00e1n T\u00f3dor bossz\u00faja” c\u00edmmel, hogy a legid\u0151sebb fi\u00e1t\u00f3l sz\u00e1rmaz\u00f3 10 d\u00e9dunok\u00e1j\u00e1b\u00f3l p\u00e1ran maradtunk magyarok, a 11 \u00fckunoka kett\u0151 kiv\u00e9tel\u00e9vel mind rom\u00e1n, ki Angli\u00e1ban, ki Olaszorsz\u00e1gban, \u00e9s azok gyerekei k\u00f6zt van egy (angliai) magyar, a t\u00f6bbi rom\u00e1n vagy kanadai angol. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Eredetileg csak egy hozz\u00e1sz\u00f3l\u00e1st akartam \u00edrni Par\u00e1szka Bor\u00f3ka Facebook bejegyz\u00e9s\u00e9hez a rom\u00e1niai magyar nevek anyak\u00f6nyvez\u00e9si gyakorlat\u00e1r\u00f3l. De azt\u00e1n a sz\u00f6veg elkezdett n\u00f6vekedni, \u00f6nmaga \u00e9let\u00e9re kelt. \u00cdgy h\u00e1t ide teszem, s a fenti linkn\u00e9l megtal\u00e1lod az eredeti gondolat\u00e9breszt\u0151 \u00edr\u00e1st. Nem ma kezd\u0151d\u00f6tt, de m\u00e9g a tegnap se. 1899-ben Magyarfodorh\u00e1z\u00e1n sz\u00fcletett nagyap\u00e1m becs\u00fcletes neve Horv\u00e1th S\u00e1ndor volt,… Read More<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3,4],"tags":[114,112,115,113],"class_list":["post-726","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-retro","category-vegyes","tag-anyakonyvezes","tag-nevek","tag-nevek-leforditasa","tag-roman-es-magyar-nevek"],"yoast_head":"\nMit \u00e9rt a neved - Rom\u00e1ni\u00e1ban? - Id\u0151utaz\u00e1sok a t\u00e9rben<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Magyar nevek facsar\u00e1sa a rom\u00e1niai anyak\u00f6nyvekben\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/mit-ert-a-neved-romaniaban\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"hu_HU\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Mit \u00e9rt a neved - Rom\u00e1ni\u00e1ban? - Id\u0151utaz\u00e1sok a t\u00e9rben\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Magyar nevek facsar\u00e1sa a rom\u00e1niai anyak\u00f6nyvekben\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/mit-ert-a-neved-romaniaban\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Id\u0151utaz\u00e1sok a t\u00e9rben\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2026-01-20T20:53:42+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/istvanhorvath.com\/huma\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/nagyapak.jpg?w=609&h=427&ssl=1\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Horv\u00e1th Sz. 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